A year later, the couple had a baby daughter, Paris Michael Katherine. LEMON (on camera): If someone asked you to sing a tribute to Michael Jackson at a service or whatever, what do you think he'd sing? At the beginning, Oprah asked both men if they were prepared to "get it" for speaking out about Jackson's alleged crimes. Were you as happy offstage as you were onstage?, Offstage I was very sad. Oprah's interview with Michael Jackson in February 1993 is the most-watched television interview in television history, with a staggering 90 million viewers. He was the seventh of nine children. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. And, generally, he expressed to me that he was made to feel that he was ugly, that he was not pretty. Their first three single "I want you back," "ABC," and "The love you save" all hit number one. LEMON: The marriage collapsed less than two years after the wedding. She asked the unthinkable in an hour-long television special, which portrayed an eccentric but vulnerable star. It's happening in familieswe know it's happening in churches, and in schools, and sports teams everywhere. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we have a personal doctor here with him, sir. He was sobbing. LEMON: Author and self-proclaimed psychic Uri Geller was a friend of Jackson's. DE PASSE: I went back one more time, mustered up all my courage. URI GELLER, AUTHOR: I was the only person who had the chutzpah to scream at him and tell him that this business of inviting children to his bedroom is wrong. "He kept getting whiter and whiter and whiter, and nobody understood why," Oprah says. This is a moment in time that allows us to see this societal corruption that's like a scourge on humanity. he looks soo mad wen the alarm goes offits soo cute. Nobody says anything about that!, His physical appearance remained the focus of the conversation. LEMON: His long-time choreographer, Kenny Ortega, was at that last rehearsal, as he had been each night for three months. I was previously the Digital Director of OprahMag.com, and before that, Senior Features Writer at Refinery29, where I also served as a video host and on-camera entertainment expert. Michael, a fiercely private entertainer, had refused to give an interview for 14 years. ), I shared the same mindset of many of the folks Oprah was talking about. But in January of that year, Michael had just headlined the Super Bowl halftime show (the staging and format of which provided the template for todays artists performing at the years biggest football game) and won three American Music Awards. And interestingly, he'd say to me every time, no, I wouldn't do that. Jackson would turn to Quincy Jones, then musical director for "The Wiz," now a multi Grammy winning producer, arranger, and composer. "I love my father, but I don't know him. "It certainly was going to be the most watched interview I had ever done. USHER: Being the first black artist to ever have a video played on MTV was pivotal for all of us. TOOBIN: He was emaciated. BRAFMAN: He always appeared to either be in pain or walking with pain. "The moonwalk came from these beautiful black kids who live in the ghettos in the inner cities, who are brilliant. There were dozens of lawyers and bodyguards and assistants. LEMON: Can you sing it a bit please? (I should note that for the record, Leaving Neverland was in production long before Surviving R. Kelly aired.). It was in the same league as David Frosts interview with Richard Nixon in 1977, Barbara Walters interview with Monica Lewinsky in 1999 and, outside the United States, Martin Bashirs interview with Princess Diana in 1995. They performed as if they had been performing for years. She arranges the interviews in advance, and they are very prefabricated, but then she has the [gift] of naturalness, of making herself seem like one more member of the audience, even though she is not. And the lead singer, Michael, was just so incredible. MESEREAU: I was on occasion. Kelly's recent indictment for 10 counts of aggravated criminal sexual abuse. By the end of the documentary, I felt an unexpected emotion: numbness. And another girl. The next question that followed was the most striking of the entire encounter, because it was asked of a 35-year-old man who had just claimed that he dated and had been in love. You are seeing through to the blue veins, and they're very, very apparent. Rick: Thank you so much. So off he went to the island nation of Bahrain. There is not a single thing or person in popular culture that is worth not protecting and believing our children. NORRIS: From the iconic look to the moonwalk to the glove, the red jacket and the zippers and glasses and the white socks. LEMON: Rabbi Schmuley Boteach was a friend and spiritual visor to Michael Jackson. Michael entered the shot walking downstairs as Thriller played in the background, but no one was applauding. I had go-to lines about being able to separate the art from the man; about how Jackson was certainly an oddball with an affinity for children because of his own troubled upbringing, but that didn't make him a criminal; about how there was never any real proof that he had abused children. LEMON: Although Jackson denied the abuse allegations, he was arrested and charged with seven counts of child molestation. JACKSON: Yes. Simpson, and Bill Cosby) crimes. Just last year, a study by the Census Bureau and Stanford University found that no matter what their parents income level, Black men are less successful than white men on average. JOHN NORRIS, FORMER CORRESPONDENT, MTV NEWS: They are songs that still hold up today. Oprah Winfrey interviews Michael Jackson's accusers from "Leaving Neverland." By Meredith Blake Staff Writer March 1, 2019 6 AM PT Reporting from New York Oprah Winfrey is arguably the. Oprah's Controversial Interview With Michael Jackson Was His First In 14-Years And Broke Records The interview took place at the 'Neverland Valley Ranch' back in February of 1993. And I was -- and I kept saying, I just hope he gets a physical trainer, someone to really work him out, to make sure he's healthy and prepared. This was recorded on VHS in the 90's. Show more Show more A lot of people from the Mideast love Michael Jackson. Then Oprah asked the question even she says was embarrassing: "Are you a virgin? Do you go out and have fun, do you date? Yes, Michael replied. But perhaps its not all that candid, Borja Tern argues. Leaving Neverland is about the childrenand adultswho are silenced by people like me who are quick to defend accusers simply because of their statusor the people who choose to live in silence because they are afraid of exactly that happening. HARVEY: Those tests we anticipate will take approximately four to six additional weeks. MICHAEL JACKSON: I would do my schooling for three hours with the tutor, and right after that I'd go to the recording studio and record. LEMON: CNN's Jeffrey Toobin was in the courtroom. Test yourself, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. JACKSON: Because he -- he saw me -- he wanted me to -- I guess, maybe, I don't know if I was his golden child or whatever it was. Oprahs interview succeeded in reducing Jacksons image from lunatic to simply eccentric, wrote The Washington Post shortly thereafter. In 1993, Ms. Winfrey's prime-time interview of Michael Jackson at his Neverland Ranch, . But was damage done to his soul, to his spirit, to his gentle, kind way of looking at the world? Have expert advice and tips delivered directly to you. Jackson fans have also been vicious, as Winfrey also received backlash before the interview. In the most awkward part of the interview, Oprah took up the topic of the singers love life and asked him a strange, nave question that seemed more suited for a child than a 34-year-old man. Why? After the second half airs on Monday, March 4, Oprah Winfrey Presents: After Neverland" will air simultaneously on HBO and OWN: Oprah Winfrey Network on at 10:00 PM EST. And is aid to him, take that stupid thing off! UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While we're on our way, did anybody see him? powerspyin1 Almost all of the most watched TV interviews are from the United States, except one from BBC One. None of those episodes, she goes on to say, illustrated that fact the way Reed's film did. Then two years later, I was like, I was wrong. He said, no one wants to be mortal; we all want to be immortal. According to Winfrey, the conversation was unscripted and uncensored. I tried and tried and tried to get the message across to people that sexual abuse is not just abuseit is also sexual seduction." But first an update on the Michael Jackson death investigation. NORRIS: Michael had begun to exhibit a certain, I think aloofness, and a tendency to kind of withdraw from the world. It was just very difficult to imagine this is a guy who's ready to come back and do an amazing series of 50 concerts, and then more across the world, which was the plan. Of course, we're following developments out of Iran tonight. GORDY: Suzanne de Passe insisted I meet with these kids and audition them. DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): From child prodigy to cultural icon. And he thinks he's being loving. Oh, there's a lot of is sadness about my past life and, you know, adolescence, and my father, and all of those things. LEMON: Michael had another money-making trick up his sleeve. Ellen: I can defnitely hang out. But she's clearly like, whoa, what are you doing? Instead, it is about the millions of people in this world who never got to have a childhood because of the sexual abuse they experienced before their young brains were even developed enough to know what was occurring. I'm going to miss him so much. Concerned about hunger in Africa, Richie and Jackson wrote the song "We are the World" and assembled a super group of 200 artists to perform it. I think he was responding to his fans by, at least showing them his face. More "CNN Presents: The Man in The Mirror" in just a moment. There's a flash behind him, and his hair catches on fire. A decade later, Jackson was so dependent on prescription drugs that he had to interrupt a world tour to go into a drug treatment program. RODNEY JENKINS, MUSIC PRODUCER: Wow, 50 dates; 50 dates at 50 years old? NORRIS: There's a reason it's called "Neverland Valley." In fact, you know, there were nights where you looked up there and it was like he was timeless, ageless. He didn't exchange words with his lawyers very often. LEMON: Coming up, scandal rocks the gates of Neverland. The interview with Jackson took place at his huge Neverland Ranch, complete with its own amusement park and zoo. He only comes along once. Never had a celebrity provoked so much fascination or so many utterly bizarre headlines. For instance, Leave Me Alone, from his 1987 album Bad, was the first song in what became something of a subgenre in his musical oeuvre: Michael lamenting media harassment and responding to it with music. Rick: Well, you just want to. LEMON: One month later, Jackson took home eight Grammys. The show received a 39.3 rating, just below the Jan. 22, 1987, episode of "The Cosby Show," which received a 41.3. ", In 1993, controversy about Michael's skin color was at an all-time high. He hadn't shaved that morning. USHER, SINGER: Michael had an unseen magic to influence people, the music and the culture. Eight minutes into the show, Oprah posed the question that would allow her to get to the meatier questions. At minute 24, Oprah posed the question that everyone was asking themselves in 1993: Did you bleach your skin because you dont like being Black?, Here, for the first time in public, Michael mentioned that he suffered from vitiligo, an autoimmune disease that destroys pigment-producing cells. I don't know him the way I'd like to know him," he said. But a lot of people think that he has bleached his skin. He felt betrayed. According to television analyst Borja Tern, Oprah really knows how to create an atmosphere. CASTRO: It showed him to be quite abnormal. After, Robsonnow a famed choreographer known for his work with singers like Britney Spears and *NSYNCexplained why he lied to the public for years. I said that Michael is over-medicating and that I did not want to see this kind of a case develop. Tickets sold out within hours. Michael, a fiercely private entertainer, had refused to give an interview for 14 years. on July 25, 2021. LEMON: For pop music superstar Usher, it's the loss of a pioneer. Later, he added: "Michael told me it was love, that God brought us together. The Winfrey-Jackson interview was the 101st highest-rated show in television history. He looked horrible. Thats why Im always surrounded by children now., After addressing how Michael felt going from an adorable child prodigy to a teenager, Winfrey laid the groundwork to address the singers controversial physical appearance; by then, the grown man had a pale complexion, a narrow, pointed nose, a Kirk Douglas-like dimple in his chin and he wore copious white makeup on his face. I'm going to miss him. "All the times that I testified and the many, many times that I gushed over him publicly in interviewsthat was from a real place. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The record flew out of stores. Sometimes I do get angry. Success at such a cost left Jackson with conflicted feelings for his father. This man through his music actually like made a change in the world. JERMAINE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S BROTHER: You know, you have to say to yourself, who hasn't? It would make me sad that I would have to go and work instead. I know the creator will go, but his work survives. Have you ever been in love? Oprah pressed on. LEMON: Fans wanted their last good-bye. A child's understanding of "abuse". The interview shattered records with an audience of 90 million. That is why to escape death, I attempt to bind my soul to my work. LEMON: Motown gave the group a record deal. LEMON: The case was eventually settled for nearly $20 million, and the suit was dropped in 1994. LEMON: Michael Jackson was officially charged with seven counts of child molestation and several other felonies. LEMON: But Brockman says the superstar was terrified. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he spent a lot of internal time reflecting on who he was, where he'd been. Pop icon Michael Jackson sat down for an intimate chat with. In 1993, Winfrey was personally invited to Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch for an interview with the notoriously private star. MESEREAU: I think this trial and this entire case took a terrible toll on him emotionally and physically. "All I did was enhance the dance.". Michael Jackson was about to go from child pop star to the biggest star on the planet. I'd like to take a shot at producing your record. And there's kinda buttery smell and a fragrance. MONROE: The trial hurt him to the core. We may earn commission from links on this page, but we only recommend products we back. In that sense, the show [was] very ambiguous. Despite the interview being filmed in his own home, one of the rooms served as a set. LEMON: Saying "Beat It" to the competition, for 37 weeks the album sat at number one and is, to this day, the top-selling album in the world. Michael showed Oprah his Neverland Ranch, and once they settled in the theater, he talked about his social work and his interest in helping children. When Oprah broached the subject, Michael wouldn't get into specifics but said he'd had less plastic surgery than people thought. But that becomes problematic when sometimes, that means we turn a blind eye to their mistakes, or, in this case (and the cases of other public figures like Kelly, O.J. Robson and his mother moved from Australia to work with Jackson, and as a child, he starred in music videos like "Black or White" and "Jam," gigs that he says led to spending more and more time with Jackson, including sleepovers at Jackson's Neverland ranch. And I know that it tore him to pieces. The most incredible part of that whole thing was that on his being wheeled to the hospital, you know, he's waving to his fans with the glittered glove, you know, to the end a showman. You know? TOOBIN: The criminal charges were not a total surprise, because several years earlier, Jackson had settled a civil claim against him by a boy under very similar circumstances. This is really it. "I had no understanding of it being abuseI loved Michael," he told Oprah. So it'd be nighttime. This man was a universal pop icon. to Oprah is an American television interview special that was broadcast by ABC on February 10, 1993. Oprahs assumed naivet achieves complicity with both Michael and the viewer, and on television complicity allows for everything. Capture a web page as it appears now for use as a trusted citation in the future. And it's happening right now. LEMON: In a BBC interview, Joe Jackson admitted whipping Michael with a switch or a belt, but denied ever beating him. Oprah immediately connected with the artist and the audience by asking Michael if he was nervous. JACKSON: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fifty, OK. Yes. With Brooke Shields? Yes. BOTEACH: The fact that he could even find himself in the situation after the '93 allegation shows he didn't take that sufficiently to heart, because if he did, he never would have been along with the child. Watch full episodes and live stream OWN whenever and wherever you want. LEMON: But Jackson was born to perform, and the show must go on. I'm ashamed to admit it in writing, but, here goes: I was one of those critics. That's all tonight at 10:00 p.m. Eastern, right here on CNN, live from Los Angeles. If you look closely, in the sequence where they walk together to the amusement park all the rides are moving, but theyre completely empty, he says. (In 1993, after 13-year-old Jordan Chandler and his father accused Jackson of child sexual abuse, a police investigation was inconclusive, and Jackson settled with the family out of court. He also sang and danced. on the Internet. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. And the Jacksons began their rocket rise to stardom. Uploaded by LEMON: With each not guilty verdict, the crowd outside cheered. Michael Jackson was being interviewed by Oprah Winfrey in 1993 when he stunned the interviewer by showcasing his incredible beatboxing skills as he sang acapella. Oprah also mentioned the criticisms she had been receiving on social media, with commenters asking why she would do this interview when Jackson can't defend himselfand also accusing her of "trying to bring the Black man down.". There would be no other form, honestly. LEMON: Michael Jackson had probably drawn his last breath by the time this 911 phone call was made from a rented home in the Los Angeles hills. They are mourning in Gary, Indiana, too, Michael's hometown. JACKSON: It's not sexual. The superstar seemed to be fading in front of the world's eyes. In this never-before-heard interview from 2012, Emmy and Tony-award-winning actress, Cicely Tyson explains the surprising story of how she found her calling, shares behind-the-scenes history of her most iconic roles and reveals the biggest life lessons she's learned. His mistake is that he took it way too far, so that he stopped being a curiosity, and he started being a freak. If, like me, you are still on the fence about what to believe or what not to believeor even whether or not you want to watch this filmI can tell you this with 100 percent certainty: Watching both Robson and Safechuck's faces as they recollect what allegedly happened to them, both in Leaving Neverland and during Oprah's interview, there is not a single doubt in my mind that these men are telling the truth. So we started listening to tracks, like De, de, de, de, de, de. Oprah, who referenced her own experiences with sexual abuse as a child during the interview, added that when you're as young as Robson and Safechuck were when they allege that Jackson abused them7 and 10you "don't have the language to explain what is happening to you." Filled mostly with past hits and some new angry songs like "Scream," 1995's "History: Past, Present, and Future" could not revive Jackson's success in the studio. With all of the pieces and details put together chronologically across four hours, Leaving Neverland brings to life a man who groomed his victims psychologically into simultaneously loving him and fearing him so steadfastly that they never accepted that they were abused themselvesmuch less wanted to tell anyone about it. He announced his farewell tour, This Is it, in a brief press conference on March 5, 2009, in London. In 1993, Oprah Winfrey made history by conducting the most-watched interview in television history. I suspect so. LEMON: It was March 10, 2005, the second day of testimony by Jackson's teenaged accuser. Sometimes he would come to see me, and I would throw up. As an adult too? Yes., Then Oprah started to fire away. Correction: An earlier version of this story stated that Jacksons 2005 trial lasted 18 months; the trial lasted 14 weeks. LEMON: In 1986, a photograph of Michael asleep in an anti-aging chamber rocked the tabloids. There wouldn't even be the MTV that is now without Michael Jackson's influence. LIONEL RICHIE, MUSICIAN: Now, one great thing that happened that we both had to realize, I can't read or write music, and Michael cannot read or write music. (And who could ever forget that interview Jackson did with Martin Bashir in 2003 where he whispered "I am Peter Pan"? OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: So he would tease you, make fun of you? They just have that natural talent for dancing any of the new, hot dances. I was like, "What do you mean?" He was greeted by a crush of reporters and fans. And he's not breathing. His next saying on the I won't grow up, I'm a lost boy, I'm Peter Pan. viewers (millions) Series Air date Network Ref(s) 1: Michael Jackson: Oprah Winfrey: 62.30 "Michael Jackson Talks . (Video: HBO) Comment on this story Less than a year later, Jackson made headlines again when he married Lisa Marie Presley, the 26-year-old daughter of Elvis. BROCKMAN: I feared for Michael Jackson. It cost him around 10 million dollars to keep that up at its peak. And then there are all the gatherings, from weddings to birthdays, where the only songs that would get everyone in my mixed, multicultural family on the dance floor to attempt their best moonwalks were "Billie Jean" and "Thriller.". Not all are available yet, though Anyways, I hope you like them. JACKSON: My friends and doctors advise me to seek professional guidance in order to eliminate what has become an addiction. And I remember going to the recording studio, and there was park across the street. On February 10, 1993, Oprah sat down with Michael Jackson for what would be the most-watched interview in television history. KENNY ORTEGA, CHOREOGRAPHER: He was so excited about this project, and so invested. How many plastic surgery procedures have you undergone? Very, very few, Michael replied. Followed by news helicopters and a convoy of cars, Jackson rushed from Neverland Ranch to the courthouse. Who wants mortality? Michael had turned down interviews for 14 years, until allowing Oprah access to Neverland. One of the last photographs that was taken of Michael Jackson while he was alive. JACKSON: This one, this one -- CASTRO: Almost pathological in his spending ways. . They don't sound dated. They were tremendous. JACKSON: I'll be performing the songs my fans want to hear. web pages Because of that you became a great performer, and maybe even because you were not given enough love as a child, you wanted the world's love. He pleaded not guilty. And then he would dance, you know. During the interview, Oprah got a private lesson in the signature move. PETER CASTRO, ASSISTANT MANAGING EDITOR, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: He's on the set, and he's descending a staircase. RODNEY JERKINS, MUSIC PRODUCER: Michael called me, and he says, "Why can't we create new sounds?" LEMON: Fan clubs, trading cards, Michael Jackson dolls. Not only was I questioning why our culture would want to bring down a man who isn't alive to protect himself, but I, too, was suspicious that these accusers were coming out now, after publicly defending Jackson when he was alive. Stay up to date with the latest trends that matter to you most. Some say the Jackson's turned to music the day their television set broke down, but from the day they started performing, they were destined for stardom. Disfrute de nuestras lecciones personalizadas, breves y divertidas. I warned them. They come up with these dances," Michael said. (END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: Coming up, Michael Jackson, from riches to rags. Oprah interviews Michael Jackson, broadcast live around the world from his home at the Neverland Ranch. Presley filed for divorce in 1996. LEMON: Ben Brockman was one of Jackson's attorneys. In 1993, Jackson spoke about both in this interview with Oprah Winfrey. This time, she wants to speak candidly about the intimate, personal details that made her relationship with Michael as complicated and misunderstood as it was. LEMON: And with Neverland came the children. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Love you, Mike! He gave the world his heart and soul through his music. It's mysterious. Jackson told Oprah he suffered from a rare skin disease. DE PASSE: I saw these kids, and they were unbelievable. In an exclusive interview, Murray's attorney tells CNN his client is upset over Jackson's death and that he plans to cooperate fully. TOURE, FORMER CNN POP CULTURE ANALYST: The sound was incredible. And I said, Mr. Gordy, you just have to see these kids. But one reason that tends to happen in particular is the fact that in this country, Black people are at a disadvantage when it comes to career success. According to Kitty Kelleys biography Oprah, the host lied when she claimed at the beginning of the interview that nothing had been prearranged. Flags at half staff, a memorial at his childhood home. Oprah is the queen of this format (her 2021 conversation with Prince Harry and Meghan Markle is the most recent great example of the show-interview). ), Still, even as a grown, college educated, opinionated adult, until just two days ago, I was one of those Michael Jackson defenders. In February, he received the Living Legend Award at the Grammys, an honor bestowed intermittently on the likes of Frank Sinatra and Aretha Franklin, which Jackson received at the age of 34. Again, the 911 tape. They think Dr. Murray can answer lingering questions about Michael Jackson's death. I mean, you couldn't stop them. He had the discipline at such a young age, originality, willing to try everything, a work ethic, all of it. I try not to look in the mirror too much, Im never happy with what I see., The interview was visually powerful; one could almost enjoy watching it on mute. While never forgetting any of the sexual details that happened between us, but having no understanding that it was abusehaving no concept in my mind that anything about Michael could ever badeverything that Michael did was right to me for so many years." GORDY: They were sensations. JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This was certainly the most bizarre criminal trial I ever saw. Have you ever had suicidal tendencies? Whats a 36-year-old man doing sleeping with a 12-year-old boy? Have you ever had sexual intercourse with a child? The rest of the story is familiar: Bashirs 2003 interview, in which Jackson again claimed to share his bed with children, prompted an investigation and then a trial for the sexual abuse of a young boy who appeared with him on the show (Jackson was found not guilty). And in particular, in the Anna Nicole case, I said, if that's what's going to happen to Michael, it's all going to break our hearts. She explained: "Here's the reason why I'm here. I put little like music on into a little story time, I read a book. Curiously, there was no mention of her personal connection to Jackson in particular, the famous 1993 live interview with him at Neverland Ranch, which took place just months before the first . transcript. TARABORELLI: The thing about Michael is that he does want what he wants, and he will find a way to get it. The marriage lasted only two years, but when Michael talked with Oprah a year before his nuptials, everyone was wondering ifand whohe dated. It was just sad. To no -- he's not responding to CPR or anything. In 1993, Oprah helmed what would become the most-watched TV interview of all time a title which the show still proudly holds. My father didn't love me enough. TOURE: I don't think anybody, even like the Iowa housewives, were saying, you know they're not sleeping together. And they were expected to meet with L.A. police today. The Oprah Winfrey-Michael Jackson interview 30 years later In February 1993, the talk show host landed the first live, televised talk with the singer in 14 years. On February 10, 1993, Oprah sat down with Michael Jackson for what would be the most-watched interview in television history. WINFREY: And why would he beat you? Oprah : Michael Jackson is the seventh of nine brothers and sisters born in Gary, Indiana to steel mill worker Joseph and mother Katherine. The circus surrounding the trial seemed more than Jackson could bear. Information from IMDB:Oprah interviews Michael Jackson, broadcast live around the world from his home at the Neverland Ranch. My father was too strict, he was too much of a disciplinarian. WINFREY: Would he -- did he ever beat you? The unprecedented live event drew a worldwide audience of 90 million people. In fact, in the documentary, Safechuck reveals that he only finally came to terms with his own abuseand opened up to his wife about itafter seeing an interview Robson did about his experience with Jackson on The Today Show in 2013. As the trial progressed, he got weaker and weaker, including that one bizarre day when he called in sick and the judge said, come in anyway. You could not on your own going bearing in mind book buildup or library or . RODNEY JENKINS, MUSIC PRODUCER: He created things that we've never seen before, visually, in music.
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