Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. You don't know what's going on. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. Well within there. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Saddleback Mountain Lions So it's there was no question in my mind. Part II. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. So I think in that story there's there's something for the believers and the nonbelievers and I and you know Mark L. Brock is who is a gentleman with the cougar Network told me this story is evidence that that if they were here we would know about it. However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. Let us know your story and share your photos. Numerous scat and fur specimens have been turned in as part of mountain lion report investigations; DNA identification has shown these submitted samples to be from domestic dog, coyote, bobcat andraccoon. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. But no proof was offered. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. And to anyone listening I would just say you know fishing game who wants proof right. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Patrick Tate: Same here in New Hampshire too. Right. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. There was no sign of it. So that's the specimen that you find going long distances. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. So you want identifiable backgrounds. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Caller: Absolutely. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Alleged mountain lion sightings put Derry, Windham residents on edge Right. Select image for larger view. Get your tickets today and one for fifty dollars or six for 150 at NH PR and board. Thank you very much for being here. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. 50 feet above the most. It's completely possible that it may have spent time in New Hampshire and went undetected but had it stayed in the area ultimately it would have been detected over time. Mountain Lion in New Hampshire? - Bowsite.com If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. So hey, just me shooting from the hip, maybe there are a couple mountain lions skulking about. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. She is renowned for tracking. While State Denies Mtn Lions are in NH, Numerous Sightings Say Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Patrick Tate: Yeah yeah. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. To date, the Department has not received any verifiable evidence (photographic or DNA)of mountain lions existing in New Hampshire. So if you were to ask me has a mountain lion ever passed through New Hampshire and been spotted by somebody who wasnt able to get hard evidence? Id personally be willing to say "probably, yes.". NH Wildlife News and Info | NH Wildlife Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. Peter Biello: So Rick seems like you agree that the tail is a big giveaway whether or not it's a mountain lion Absolutely. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Oh you saw him online. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Rick van de Poll: Rick your thoughts. 1957. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests - AP NEWS Patrick Tate: Exactly I was gonna bring that up juvenile male of. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. You're on the air. They are the same thing. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. Were there any differences between these two that we could have noticed right off. Thank you. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. for some excitement. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. It doesn't happen as much anymore. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Residents Report Mountain Lion Sighting By Elysia Rodriguez Published August 11, 2015 A southern New Hampshire neighborhood believes a mountain lion is roaming the woods near their homes. Does not test random Scouts. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. And the cougar embodies that. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR By Eric Orff. That's next time on one day. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. The great thing about pictures isn't the animal itself it's the background. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. WMUR NH Chronicle Mountain Lions in NH Part I and Part II. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. And then just up behind it you know at about 11 o'clock on one side and whatever that would be on the other side it's black. You know perhaps poke around where you saw it and see if you can find a track. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. You know one of the the biggest questions I have about that is it points to how much we don't know and if in fact we don't know enough. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. Information that weed family automotive dot com sunny for today high temperatures low to mid 80s clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s tomorrow sunny highs in the upper 80s. Pelosi story here we go. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Thanks for calling. Mountain Lions in NH - Facebook So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. Do you get a lot of these these these things that end up being hoaxes. Do they travel. So the whole media hype about how scary mountain lions are should should go away immediately and that would be that I think the major thrust of educating folks about these casualties vs.. Sam Evans-Brown: Sam go ahead. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. But also I think it proves the opposite point which is that sometimes they're pretty secretive because all the way from Minnesota where the where was the first time was picked up on a game camera to New York. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Less successful males roam further. Caller: Oh yeah. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! Long before NASA was asked to put a man on the moon one engineer had already figured out how to get there. I would say that there's going to be the truth in here somewhere. Give today. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Sam. You know you have to have a license and it's hard to get that license a license to own a mountain lion. No evidence and other states where Mountain lights have turned up. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. Have you heard stories do you have questions about the mountain line. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. Peter Biello: The number is 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. What's going on. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. Share. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. Let's look for other evidence. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. But you've done some reporting on this. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. There are mountain lion in Massachusetts. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. And Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Deer Bear Moose Wolves Fisher Mountain Lions. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. So we're fixated on natural but there's other possibilities. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. You could trace that was this same cat from point to point to point. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. He studied Politics and Spanish at Bates College, and before reporting was variously employed as a Spanish teacher, farmer, bicycle mechanic, ski coach, research assistant, a wilderness trip leader and a technical supporter. 44-N Links. Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. Caller: It had just left that field and was out. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests John if you're still on the line here I was going to I don't. I was a Bobcat we saw it and I have a picture of it. Rick your thoughts. These were normal everyday folks. The report came in from a conservation officer. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. Nicholas Handy can be reached at 924-7172 ext. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Michael Brindley is our program manager our producers our Jessica Hunt and Christina Phillips and our theme music was composed by Bob Lord. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. I believe I saw one that's fine and I'm not looking for an immediate story. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Caller: I do. Peter Biello: Ok. Peter Biello: Hmm. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. I just want to tell you a story that I read. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. Mike you're on the air. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Post your sightings and NH photos here! Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. You saw what you saw. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. But I do think that it's appropriate that a fishing game agency would recognize verifiable proof if they could. Through DNA they approximate area in the United States or North America where I was born. Caller: I have yeah. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. So what a neat experience. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Theres a project called the Cougar Network that tracks verified sightings, and they are all around us: Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maine, New York and New Brunswick have all had verified sightings over the past 20 years or so. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Ask Sam: Why Won't New Hampshire Admit There Are Mountain Lions Here Today she talked with us a little bit before the show about why the mountain line is so compelling and why we want it to be part of our world. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Thanks very much. Do cougars live in New England? No that's a little bit outside the range. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. What kind of animal is that. David Erler says some of them probably have. They create these big latrines that are very obvious. Part II. I mean so what what is the practical change that it would bring to New Hampshire if any. I didn't see him online. So now what's going on. Anyways after three weeks I finally found the image on line on a field and stream photo contest and the explanation in the end was the person that set the camera out with another individual and they believed that someone who knew of the camera location saw the similarities put the can't picture on their SD card so it looked like that camera recorded the image that is. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Some are included in lists of mountains, such as the Appalachian Mountain Club (AMC) list of the Hundred Highest peaks of New England, or the . Why do people keep seeing mountain lions (which aren't here) but not And they were using all the habitat. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So there's even debate about that very subject. We'd be inundated with scouts in the past when newspaper articles have been written about DNA and scouts. How far were you from this cat. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. Okay. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. One was in Shelton. Enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, and then try again. Support for an age PR comes from you our listeners. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Can we go to the site. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. And I I have this great text history of New Hampshire game and fir bears and I think by Helen Silver who used to work for fish and game and she sort of I kind eyes this animal in one of the quotes from 1892 stating that the catamaran was the most ferocious of all the wild beasts of New Hampshire his great size strength and agility of movement together with his formidable weapons rendered him the terror both of man and beast. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Patrick Tate: So it's interesting it's brought up. Tate said that while a mountain lion sighting in New Hampshire isn't likely, it's not impossible. So that did it for me. What do you think that. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Sort of dropped onto the SD card of a camera he'd set up out in the wild. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Course like Sue said you have to see it and it's not always that visible. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Caller: Oh hi. Peter Biello: Yeah. So I will just say this is a big reason why there have not been confirmed sightings I think is that the evidence required first. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. It's you know I recognized their report and. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Sue Morse: First and foremost if you have color or if you could see details of color look at the front of the face around the Pumas muzzle the muzzle itself is pure white. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. So I reached down to grab the camera and looked back and like a ghost it's gone. Peter Biello: Oh okay. The states never denied mountain lions are here, and theyve never admitted mountain lions are here. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. And you know all that. Peter Biello: Mm hmm. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. The 17-year-old Kiger mustang mare was born in Bend, Oregon, said Hodskins, who got her .
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